When are valid ID's required - and not required

Here's a pretty good and up to date chart -

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[MR]

Also not required for MLB games. Hmmm.

[NW 332]

Valid ID also not required in many states for private gun sales.

[maria]

Actually for many MLB games, you cannot pick up your tickets without i.d. In Croton, you cannot attend certain parks, like Silver Lake, without an approved village i.d. Ditto for Senasqua....

[tom faranda]

For MLB games they send you through a metal detector and check your bags.

[tom faranda]

Why would a valid ID be required for a private gun sale? Presumably that's between family or friends who know each other?

[NW 332]

Yes, presumably.

[tom faranda]

When would you require a private gun sale buyer to show ID? And how would it be enforced?

[NW 332]

How about requiring all gun sales go through a licensed gun dealer?

[tom faranda]

You could try it - after all, why should people be able to sell their private property to people they know? Is this what's happening - these mass murderers are buying their guns privately?

[NW 332]

Regarding voter ID, "Is this what's happening-" people are actually showing up at the polls impersonating other people?

[maria]

Regarding voter ID, yes, just google it.

Regarding the Village ID, here's the info from the Spring newsletter for those of us who would like to use our parks....also for when we are allowed to play at Hudson National or rent Senasqua Pavillion.

CROTON RECREATION AND PARKS PHOTO IDENTIFICATION POLICY -The Recreation Department will be issuing photo I.D. cards to Village and School District residents during the Spring months. As the Municipal Building is closed to the public at this time, photo ID cards are being offered on-line only. Visit the village website at: www.crotononhudson-ny.gov - Go to the Recreation page and select “Applications and Forms” in the blue bar section. Select the appropriate season pass form. If you are new to the village, you must upload pictures to the form as a jpg. If you are renewing, photos are held in our system for 5 years. The cards are good for 3 years. Proof of current residency such as a valid driver’s license or a current utility bill or tax bill are required. The proof must be in the name of the person requesting the photo I.D. A fee of $9.00 for Village residents and $15.00 for School District residents is also required. There will be a nominal fee added. The Recreation and Parks photo I.D. is required for entrance into Senasqua Park, Silver Lake Park and Black Rock Park. It is required to register for play at Hudson National Golf Course and pavilion rentals at Senasqua Park.

[Jessica]

What is so wrong with needing an ID to vote, when one needs it for a million other reasons? It would make sense to prove who you actually are for something as important as voting.

[NW 332]

The problem with requiring a government-issued photo ID to vote is simply that it is difficult for many citizens, who have a Constitutional right to vote, to obtain said ID. Many working poor people who cannot afford a car and don’t drive cannot get to a DMV or other place issuing IDs when they have to work. How many homebound senior citizens or disabled Americans can get to a government office for their ID? There are plenty of nursing home residents who are capable of casting an informed vote but haven’t had a valid photo ID in years. Should all these Americans be disenfranchised? Not when the call for photo ID is based on the lie that voter impersonation fraud is widespread. If you Google the subject, as was suggested above, you will find that such fraud is rare. The real reason for voter ID is to place another impediment in the path of certain voters who probably don’t support the party that is the proponent of voter ID laws.

[tom faranda]

What you are saying is certain voters aren't smart enough or can't get the help to get an ID. I disagree. It may require some effort or help from a friend or relative but anyone can get an ID including the developmentally disabled. Otherwise all those things above, Like seeing a Doctor, are out of bounds for them.
The real reason is not to place an impediment to certain voters but to lessen the chance of cheating. Completely reasonable.

[Jessica]

I completely agree Tom, especially in this day and age when getting an ID online is super easy. I just got my 5 year old a town of Cortlandt ID to use the pool. It was literally 3 clicks and 5 days later her ID card to prove legal residence arrived in the mail. Everyone who ever wants to do anything legitimately needs a legal ID. It’s bizarre to say it’s too burdensome or people are not smart enough to get an ID to vote. Because if that’s the case, then no one should need ID for anything because it would all be considered discrimination which it is not! Go my 5 year old for getting her town ID!

[Jessica]

So should people have a Covid Vaccine ID required of them? That’s what certain Dems want for regular people to even access public places or events such as weddings. Why the hell would they push this unconstitutional idea but then disagree with a legal ID to vote is beyond me and completely bizarre. These Dems are so inconsistent and a laughing stock to common sense thinking people.

[maria]

Yes. Especially when there are stories like this...just about everywhere https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/blood-clots-after-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-under-investigation/

[maria]

And I agree with Jessica and Tom about obtaining an i.d. We just ordered ours online for certain village amenities which require an i.d. You of course have to send them certain proofs and a photo but it took less than ten minutes.

[NW 332]

No American citizen should be forced to rely on the the charity or good will of another to be able to exercise their own Constitutionally-protected right to vote. And, by the way, having access to the village pool is not the same as having access to the vote.

[tom faranda]

How about relying on the local, state or federal government to supply them with an ID? I really can't believe you think it's ok for anyone to walk in to vote without proving who they are. NY state has rules about this, and in fact the rules for absentee voting in NY State are stricter than the rules are in Georgia.

[NW 332]

Many states requiring photo ID do provide them without cost. But getting to the locations to obtain them presents the problem. You can’t get them at your local polling place, and if you’re homebound, you can’t get it without assistance. Also, there are costs involved for some voters who have voted for decades to now obtain the supporting documentation if they don’t drive. This is more problematic for some women who have changed their names when they married or divorced. But, most importantly, all this is not necessary. Voter fraud by false impersonation is rare and not a significant enough problem to potentially disenfranchise large numbers of American citizens. NY only requires the presentation of ID (not necessarily photo ID) if the newly registered voter did not include suitable identifying information in their voter registration application.

[tom faranda]

They (government) should go to someone's house or residence and take their picture to supply a non-driver's license ID. They need it for other purposes. I understand that plenty of states (27? 33?) require voter ID but have not researched it.
But i give up - you win!!

[Jessica]

Some how this argument that it is impossible for some people to have a legal ID before voting or have the ability to try and get one before an election is bizarre and doesn’t hold water. It’s a cop-out! People who think this just want a voting free for all. A valid election = voters with valid ID’s. Many millions of American citizens feel this way and it should be respected.